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Dozens of Companies Are Using Facebook to Exclude Older

Dozens of Companies Are Using Facebook to Exclude Older Workers From Job Ads

Among the companies we found doing it: Amazon, Verizon, UPS and Facebook itself. Its blatantly unlawful, said one employment law expert.

byJulia Angwin, ProPublica,Noam Scheiber,The New York Times, andAriana Tobin, ProPublica

Mark Edelstein, a social media marketing strategist who is also legally blind, says he never had serious trouble finding a job until he turned 50.

(Whitney Curtis for The New York Times)

This story was co-published with The New York Times.

A few weeks ago, Verizon placed an ad on Facebook to recruit applicants for a unit focused on financial planning and analysis. The ad showed a smiling, millennial-aged woman seated at a computer and promised that new hires could look forward to a rewarding career in which they would be more than just a number.

Some relevant numbers were not immediately evident. The promotion was set to run on the Facebook feeds of users 25 to 36 years old who lived in the nations capital, or had recently visited there, and had demonstrated an interest in finance. For a vast majority of the hundreds of millions of people who check Facebook every day, the ad did not exist.

This Verizon recruiting ad appeared on Facebook last month, seeking financial analysts aged 25 to 36. Verizon didnt respond to repeated requests for comment about this ad.

Verizonis among dozens of the nations leading employers includingAmazon,Goldman Sachs,TargetandFacebookitself that placed recruitment ads limited to particular age groups, an investigation by ProPublica and The New York Times has found.

The ability of advertisers to deliver their message to the precise audience most likely to respond is the cornerstone of Facebooks business model. But using the system to expose job opportunities only to certain age groups has raised concerns about fairness to older workers.

Several experts questioned whether the practice is in keeping with the federal Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967, which prohibits bias against people 40 or older in hiring or employment. Many jurisdictions make it a crime to aid or abet age discrimination, a provision that could apply to companies like Facebook that distribute job ads.

Its blatantly unlawful, said Debra Katz, a Washington employment lawyer who represents victims of discrimination.

Facebookdefended the practice. Used responsibly, age-based targeting for employment purposes is an accepted industry practice and for good reason: it helps employers recruit and people of all ages find work, said Rob Goldman, a Facebook vice president.

The revelations come at a time when the unregulated power of the tech companies is under increased scrutiny, and Congress is weighing whether to limit the immunity that it granted to tech companies in 1996 for third-party content on their platforms.

Facebook has argued in court filings that the law, the Communications Decency Act, makes it immune from liability for discriminatory ads.

These Are the Job Ads You Cant See on Facebook If Youre Older

It is against the law to discriminate against workers older than 40 in hiring and recruitment. We found dozens of companies who bought Facebook ads aimed at recruiting workers within limited age ranges.

Although Facebook is a relatively new entrant into the recruiting arena, it is rapidly gaining popularity with employers. Earlier this year, the social network launched asection of its site devoted to job ads. Facebook allows advertisers to select their audience, and then Facebook finds the chosen users with the extensive data it collects about its members.

The use of age targets emerged in a review of data originally compiled by ProPublica readers for aproject about political ad placementon Facebook. Many of the ads include a disclosure by Facebook about why the user is seeing the ad, which can be anything from their age to their affinity for folk music.

The precision of Facebooks ad delivery has helped it dominate an industry once in the hands of print and broadcast outlets. The system, called microtargeting, allows advertisers to reach essentially whomever they prefer, including the people their analysis suggests are the most plausible hires or consumers, lowering the costs and vastly increasing efficiency.

Targeted Facebook ads were an important tool in Russias efforts to influence the 2016 election. The social media giant has acknowledged that126 million peoplesaw Russia-linked content, some of which was aimed at particular demographic groups and regions. Facebook has also come under criticism for the disclosure that it accepted ads aimed at Jew-haters as well ashousing adsthat discriminated by race, gender, disability and other factors.

Other tech companies also offer employers opportunities to discriminate by age. ProPublica bought job ads on Google and LinkedIn that excluded audiences older than 40 and the ads were instantly approved. Google said it does not prevent advertisers from displaying ads based on the users age. After being contacted by ProPublica, LinkedIn changed its system to prevent such targeting in employment ads.

The practice has begun to attract legal challenges. On Wednesday, a class-action complaint alleging age discrimination wasfiled in federal courtin San Francisco on behalf of the Communications Workers of America and its members as well as all Facebook users 40 or older who may have been denied the chance to learn about job openings. The plaintiffs lawyers said the complaint was based on ads for dozens of companies that they had discovered on Facebook.

The database of Facebook ads collected by ProPublica shows how often and precisely employers recruit by age. In a search for part-time package handlers, United Parcel Service ran an ad aimed at people 18 to 24.State Farmpitched its hiring promotion to those 19 to 35.

Some companies, including Target, State Farm and UPS, defended their targeting as a part of a broader recruitment strategy that reached candidates of all ages. The group of companies making this case included Facebook itself, which ran career ads on its own platform, many aimed at people 25 to 60. We completely reject the allegation that these advertisements are discriminatory, said Goldman of Facebook.

After being contacted by ProPublica and the Times, other employers, including Amazon,Northwestern Mutualand theNew York City Department of Education, said they had changed or were changing their recruiting strategies.

You can download the Facebook Political Ad Collector from theChrome Web Storeor theMozilla Add-ons Store.

We recently audited our recruiting ads on Facebook and discovered some had targeting that was inconsistent with our approach of searching for any candidate over the age of 18, said Nina Lindsey, a spokeswoman for Amazon, which targeted some ads for workers at its distribution centers between the ages of 18 and 50. We have corrected those ads.

Verizon did not respond to requests for comment.

Several companies argued that targeted recruiting on Facebook was comparable to advertising opportunities in publications like the AARP magazine or Teen Vogue, which are aimed at particular age groups. But this obscures an important distinction. Anyone can buy Teen Vogue and see an ad. Online, however, people outside the targeted age groups can be excluded in ways they will never learn about.

What happens with Facebook is you dont know what you dont know, said David Lopez, a former general counsel for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission who is one of the lawyers at the firm Outten & Golden bringing the age-discrimination case on behalf of the communication workers union.

Age discrimination on digital platforms is something that many workers suspect is happening to them, but that is often difficult to prove.

Mark Edelstein, a fitfully employed social-media marketing strategist who is 58 and legally blind, doesnt pretend to know what he doesnt know, but he has his suspicions.

Edelstein, who lives in St. Louis, says he never had serious trouble finding a job until he turned 50. Once you reach your 50s, you may as well be dead, he said. Ive gone into interviews, with my head of gray hair and my receding hairline, and they know Im dead.

This HubSpot ad aimed at people aged 27 to 40 appeared on Facebook in November. The company said that this ad was a mistake and that the company would not use the age-targeting feature again.

Edelstein spends most of his days scouring sites like LinkedIn and Indeed and pitching hiring managers with personalized appeals. When he scrolled through his Facebook ads on a Wednesday in December, he saw a variety of ads reflecting his interest in social media marketing: ads for the marketing softwareHubSpot(15 free infographic templates!) and TripIt, which he used to book a trip to visit his mother in Florida.

What he didnt see was a single ad for a job in his profession, including one identified by ProPublica that was being shown to younger users: a posting for asocial media director job at HubSpot. The company asked that the ad be shown to people aged 27 to 40 who live or were recently living in the United States.

Hypothetically, had I seen a job for a social media director at HubSpot, even if it involved relocation, I ABSOLUTELY would have applied for it, Edelstein said by email when told about the ad.

A HubSpot spokeswoman, Ellie Botelho, said that the job was posted on many sites, including LinkedIn, The Ladders and Built in Boston, and was open to anyone meeting the qualifications regardless of age or any other demographic characteristic.

She added that the use of the targeted age-range selection on the Facebook ad was frankly a mistake on our part given our lack of experience using that platform for job postings and not a feature we will use again.

For his part, Edelstein says he understands why marketers wouldnt want to target ads at him: It doesnt surprise me a bit. Why would they want a 58-year-old white guy whos disabled?

Although LinkedIn is the leading online recruitment platform, according toan annualsurvey by SourceCon, an industry website. Facebook is rapidly increasing in popularity for employers.

One reason is that Facebooks sheer size two billion monthly active users, versus LinkedIns 530 million total members gives recruiters access to types of workers they cant find elsewhere.

Consider nurses, whom hospitals are desperate to hire. Theyre less likely to use LinkedIn, said Josh Rock, a recruiter at a large hospital system in Minnesota who has expertise in digital media. Nurses are predominantly female, theres a larger volume of Facebook users. Thats what they use.

There are also millions of hourly workers who have never visited LinkedIn, and may not even have a rsum, but who check Facebook obsessively.

This Facebook recruiting ad appeared on the social network in October, targeting people aged 25 to 60. The company defends its use of age-targeting as part of a broader recruitment strategy.

Deb Andrychuk, chief executive of the Arland Group, which helps employers place recruitment ads, said clients sometimes asked her firm to target ads by age, saying they needed to start bringing younger blood into their organizations. Its not necessarily that we wouldnt take someone older, these clients say, according to Andrychuk, but if you could bring in a younger set of applicants, it would definitely work out better.

Andrychuk said that we coach clients to be open and not discriminate and that after being contacted by The Times, her team updated all their ads to ensure they didnt exclude any age groups.

But some companies contend that there are permissible reasons to filter audiences by age, as with an ad for entry-level analyst positions at Goldman Sachs that was distributed to people 18 to 64. A Goldman Sachs spokesman, Andrew Williams, said showing it to people above that age range would have wasted money: roughly 25 percent of those who typically click on the firms untargeted ads are 65 or older, but people that age almost never apply for the analyst job.

We welcome and actively recruit applicants of all ages, Williams said. For some of our social-media ads, we look to get the content to the people most likely to be interested, but do not exclude anyone from our recruiting activity.

Pauline Kim, a professor of employment law at Washington University in St. Louis, said the Age Discrimination in Employment Act, unlike the federal anti-discrimination statute that covers race and gender, allows an employer to take into account reasonable factors that may be highly correlated with the protected characteristic, such as cost, as long as they dont rely on the characteristic explicitly.

In various ways, Facebook and LinkedIn have acknowledged at least a modest obligation to police their ad platforms against abuse.

Earlier this year, Facebook said it would require advertisers to self-certify that their housing, employment and credit ads were compliant with anti-discrimination laws, but that it would not block marketers from purchasing age-restricted ads.

Still, Facebook didnt promise to monitor those certifications for accuracy. And Facebook said the self-certification system, announced in February, was still being rolled out to all advertisers.

This Amazon recruiting ad appeared on Facebook in November, aimed at people aged 18 to 50. The company said it has corrected the ads and is changing its recruiting strategy.

LinkedIn, in response to inquiries by ProPublica, added a self-certification step that prevents employers from using age ranges when placing an employment ad, unless they affirm the ad is not discriminatory.

With these efforts evolving, legal experts say it is unclear how much liability the tech platforms could have. Some civil rights laws, like the Fair Housing Act, explicitly require publishers to assume liability for discriminatory ads.

But the Age Discrimination in Employment Act assigns liability only to employers or employment agencies, like recruiters and advertising firms.

The lawsuit filed against Facebook on behalf of the communications workers argues that the company essentially plays the role of an employment agency collecting and providing data that helps employers locate candidates, effectively coordinating with the employer to develop the advertising strategies, informing employers about the performance of the ads, and so forth.

Regardless of whether courts accept that argument, the tech companies could also face liability under certain state or local anti-discrimination statutes. For example, Californias Fair Employment and Housing Act makes it unlawful to aid, abet, incite, compel or coerce the doing of discriminatory acts proscribed by the statute.

They may have an obligation there not to aid and abet an ad that enables discrimination, said Cliff Palefsky, an employment lawyer based in San Francisco.

The question may hinge on Section 230 of the federal Communications Decency Act, which protects internet companies from liability for third-party content.

Tech companies have successfully invoked this law to avoid liability for offensive or criminal content includingsex trafficking,revenge pornandcalls for violence against Jews. Facebook iscurrently arguingin federal court that Section 230 immunizes it against liability for ad placement that blocks members of certain racial and ethnic groups from seeing the ads.

Advertisers, not Facebook, are responsible for both the content of their ads and what targeting criteria to use, if any, Facebook argued in itsmotion to dismissallegations that its ads violated a host of civil rights laws. The case does not allege age discrimination.

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We know American employers dont always treat older workers fairly. We need your help figuring out what that looks like.

Eric Goldman, professor and co-director of the High Tech Law Institute at the Santa Clara University School of Law, who has written extensively about Section 230, says it is hard to predict how courts would treat Facebooks age-targeting of employment ads.

Goldman said the law covered the content of ads, and that courts have made clear that Facebook would not be liable for an advertisement in which an employer wrote, say, no one over 55 need apply. But it is not clear how the courts would treat Facebooks offering of age-targeted customization.

According to a federal appellate court decision in afair-housing case, a platform can be considered to have helped develop unlawful content that users play a role in generating, which would negate the immunity.

Depending on how the targeting is happening, you can make potentially different sorts of arguments about whether or not Google or Facebook or LinkedIn is contributing to the development of the ad, said Deirdre K. Mulligan, a faculty director of the Berkeley Center for Law and Technology.

Jeff Larson and Madeleine Varner contributed research.

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Julia Angwin is a senior reporter at ProPublica. From 2000 to 2013, she was a reporter at The Wall Street Journal, where she led a privacy investigative team that was a finalist for a Pulitzer Prize in Explanatory Reporting in 2011 and won a Gerald Loeb Award in 2010.

Ariana is an engagement reporter at ProPublica, where she works to cultivate communities to inform our coverage.

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For Sale:Vincent Series C Rapide with Alton alternator, electronic ignition, Monobloc carbs, Shadow brake drums, Shadow 5 speedometer and high flanged aluminum rims. Very reliable bike. 50,000 Euros firm. E-mail: hrd- ( June 21)

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Norvin Engine 3270 and the Search for John Peart of Harrow

Russell Wright Reunion at Lake Arrowhead by Bill Hoddinott

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Black Lightning Special Parts List(items, part numbers, some photos)

Grey Flash Ad 1949( 394kfile – very large for detail)

Vincent Rapide Article with specs and photo (1951)

Letters From Home(not motorcycle te night musings)

Phil Vincent: The years after 1959.Historical note by Robin Vincent-Day.

Russell Wright Interviewby Bill Hoddinott

McDouglator generator for Vincent motorcyles

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Original movie footage by Vincent dating back to the factory entry in the 1936 IOM TT races.( Note from Carleton)

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Hunter S. Thompsons Writings on Vincents

Working on Motorcycles- article by Paul Zell

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How to read Spark Plugs by Gordon Jennings:

The Story of the Black Shadow by Phil Irving :

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Story of the Vincent Black Widow …. bogus but fun:

Richard Thompsons version of Vincent Black Lightning:

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Steve Hamels 153mph/100hp Bonneville Vincent on the Dyno:

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Interesting website for renting videos if you really want to Learn a Skill…. welding, lathe operation..etc..:

( Link to Maxs Vincent Streamliner website )

Interesting photos and stories about olde motorcycles.

Top Gear video: Race between a Steam Train, an XK 120 and a Vincent Black Shadow.

Irving-Vincent Engine:Photos, history, and infomation inSpecialReport. Australia

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Vincent Poster:New poster has text, over 30 photos of Vincents and engines from 1928 to 1955, a blow-up of a late Twin engine and many other illustrations and goodies packed into a large 27 x 39 inch artful poster available in heavy paper for $10 or laminated for $20.(Really nice work… Recommended.)Please mention if you are a member of the Jtan internet Vincent discussion group. E-mail: . or website: carlhungness.com or Phone: . USA

Book Review: Flat Out ! The Rollie Free Story by Jerry Hatfield. Ive talked with a number of people about this 179 page 9 x 12 book and accompanying oral history CD …and everyone likes it, but no one has finished it. I too plan to keep it next to my easy chair this winter, close by the crackling fire, sampling various stories and studying the excellent photos. It is not a glance and toss fluff rehash of previously published data. Hatfield has certainly reached deep into archives and personal recollections revealing interesting new insights into the man and the era. Work on the book spanned over 27 years with the last five years dedicated to intensive research and writing/compilation. The book provides you with Rollies background and the heroic efforts leading up to the Great Event….at 7:53am on that fateful day September 13, 1948.

The story telling is not limited to Vincent motorcycles… indeed, there is extensive coverage of Rollie making his early mark racing Indian motorcycles. 46 years and 80 pages go by before the first mention of a Vincent motorcycle. However, to truly understand the role of the Spitfire airplane in the Battle of Britain, you have to go back at least to the Schneider Air Races of the 1930s. So it is with a man in his bathing shorts and bath slippers balanced precariously on the rear fender of a Vincent setting the American Motorcycle Speed Record at Bonneville….you need to go back to the beginnings. Phil Irvings autobiography gives you historical perspective on the design, production and special magic of the Vincent motorcycle. Flat Out gives you the essence of the man/tuner/rider and further details of that eventful day and the special machine. A serious book for a serious reader…and Christmas and long winter nights are fast approaching, just like that Vincent.

Sounds of Vincent Twin Engine RunningThis is really cool. Many thanks to Anders Forsberg ! (Its a WAV file… be sure to throttle up the volume.)

Answer to e-mail questions about the Black Lightning song:

The Richard Thompson Song about a 52 Vincent Black Lightning clearly conveys the passionate feelings that are generated by beautiful women and powerful motorcycles. Those of us who have experienced both admire Richards ability of communicating to others the stories of our wildest and deepest loves. Richard carries us away on a vivid adventure in song where others have been left standing at the curb. By the end of his story we feel our tourguide on this enjoyable journey has shown us that Red-haired women and Vincent Black Lightnings can be both our salvation and our ruin. What is powerful enough to carry us to the heavens can also crash us to earth. His gift of the Black Lightning may not be a reward for what she gave him, but rather a realization that he must free himself from the steel bonds of both of his deepest loves. Only then can he escape the forces that gave him life and controlled his destiny.

For those of us who own a Vincent motorcycle, nothing else comes remotely close to the feelings of riding a quiet Dinosaur that suddenly transforms into a Fierce Dragon that bellows fire and takes flight..except a loving beautiful woman.

To listen to the song….paste and scroll down and play. Compliments of Red Molly. ( )

Thanks for your note.. Yes, ads are thin right now with people putting their spares on Evil Bay clawing for absolutely the top dollar…although they may appropriately end up with the parts gone and a bogus cashiers check or claims of non-receipt of goods.. I dont link to or generally even mention Evil Bay. When asked about Evil Bay, I tell Vin owners to try to borrow some Vin parts from Ebay, ask about their next Vincent social event, try to get help setting up your timing chest, ask them a tech question about carbs, stop over for a free beer and chat…ask to see their Vincent model photo galleries and engine diagrams, let them help you with identifying models, serial numbers and sources of parts, call them up to share the excitement and joy of your first Spring ride, ask them to drive out with a van to pick you and your Vincent up when your magneto quits…..There is NOTHING at Ebay but a @^%$&* computer…

Well… you get the point… people may get a fistful of dollars and certainly will get precious little else. Then… and this is Classic… in a later conversation they complain about the high price of some Vin parts they really need. Bitten by their own snake. I guess thats what they deserve. The rest of us will post our Vincents and parts on thevincent.com. and receive the reward of lasting friendship and an honest amount of money.

Favorite episode involving a motorcycle: In 1972 an old Chinese man in Takoma Park, MD asked me to look at this strange motorcycle in the cellar of the house he inherited from his brother. It was a rough Velocette Venom that had been sitting for years and was missing the muffler. We worked for over an hour in the dim light before I could finally kick the reluctant dragon to life. It responded by filling the cellar with thick blue smoke, flashes of light from the backfires, and roars from the open exhaust. Ill never forget his wide open eyes and the dancing smile on his face. He was 9 again and it was the Fourth of July. Also noted was the torrent of Chinese shouts from his wife at the top of the stairs which were totally ineffective at quenching our Celebration. To this day, the key ingredients of vintage motorcycling still are – mystery, frustration, sweat, loud noises, smoke, camaraderie, celebration, and contentment.

When conditions change and market pressures ease, then considerations such as originality and history must count. Condition can be bought by anybody who can afford the best restoration. But nobody can recreate originality. Once lost, its gone forever. Great quote from biker Roland Johansson.

A man can ride his Vincent Motorcycle in the daytime and sleep under a city bridge at night covered only by cardboard and his life will be rich and complete.

The sensation of being on a motorcycle embodies what were all seeking in life. Freedom.Steven Alford

At least we have Vincent motorcycles to spirit us away from all that is worrisome in this troubled and divisive world. Whether riding or taking apart or admiring in your garage or just talking about with kindred friends… Phil Irving left us a precious gift and that realization of his dream can lift us to new heights….if we are willing. Without Irving, we are left with smoking popcorn can 2 strokes and arrogant unresponsive slugs of American iron…. or my sons death defying nervous dragon from Japan. Sleep well knowing you ride a durable rewarding steed that can be a comforting companion….yet when called upon.. like a gallant charger… will win the day.

Vincent powered Cooper (please send in performance info and any photos of Coopers..especially showing Vincent engine.)History of Cooper Cars

Anyone owning a Vincent should by law: 1) own a Bridgeport milling machine or know a skilled mate with same; 2) have a basket case in progress so friends can borrow emergency parts; 3) keep a well-stocked refrig in the shop for drop-in visitors; 4) when asked to compare Vincents to other motorcycles discusses pilot input and the rewards of a WWII Spitfire and the dullness of throwaway Chinese toaster ovens; and 5) live in a major city with an active VOC section.

Please contact if you require information on placing a FREE classified ad.Your classified ad for bikes/parts/literature will be immediately posted to rabid Vincent enthusiasts all over the World. We are always looking for good quality photos of past and present Vincents to post. Please send only.jpgphoto files or originals.

for classifieds and photos Craig Comontofski – please e-mail:Craig collects Vincents and 4 speed Husqvarna and is always looking for bikes/parts/literature. He runs the Lamboghini Miura Technical Website ( He designed and operates theebsite aided by the patience and loving support of his wonderful wife, Linda.

is rated the Number One website for Vincent Motorcycles by Classic Bike magazine.

We do accept donations of Vincent parts or money if you use the site and are successful in selling your Vincent parts or motorcycle. The reason is that over the years several successful sellers and buyers have sent me free Vincent parts (our basket case is getting more complete !), one person sent several nice pieces of original Vin literature which they held onto when they sold their Vin through the website, and one East Coast Vincent owner routinely sends me 5% on every item he sells through the site ! Several of the above have asked me to post this policy of unsolicited commisions as they believe it to be fair to all concerned… and we certainly can use the support. In return you receive No Special Favors but probably sleep a little better and will certainly help to return another Vin to the road.

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